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Concept of Cure
(http://www.similima.com/path21.html)
Abstracts
“A true definition of cure must be based upon a right conception of the nature of disease. Disease is an abnormal vital process, a changed condition of life, which is inimical to the true development of the individual and tends to organic dissolution. The Standard Dictionary defines disease as “any departure from, failure in, or perversion of normal physiological action in the material constitution of functional integrity of the living organism”. This definition rightly focuses attention upon the dynamical aspect of the subject, for disease is essentially and primarily a morbid dynamical disturbance of the vital powers and functions, resulting in a loss of functional and organic balance.
Cure refers to the direct restoration of normal physiological action by medical art. Cures do not consist in the mere removal of the external, secondary, tangible products of disease, but in restoration of the dynamical balance, so that the functions of the organism are again performed normally and the patient is in a state of health. Disease is manifested perceptibly by signs and symptoms. Cure, is manifested by the removal of the symptoms. Strictly speaking the removal of all the symptoms of the case is equivalent to a cure, but if symptoms disappear and the patient is not restored health and strength it means either that some of the most important symptoms of the case have been overlooked, or that the case has passed beyond the curable stage. All curable cases present perceptible symptoms, but their discernment often depends upon the acuteness of the observer………”
“……The highest ideal of cure is rapid, gentle and permanent restoration of the health, or removal and annihilation of the disease in its whole extent, in the shortest, most reliable, and most harmless way, on easily comprehensible principles…….”
The $Million Question:
Is there any CURE for GOUT?
From my non professional understanding the answer would be NO! You can keep it in check but not cure yourself of it.
Try to live ethically, pay your karmic debts and hope for a good re-incarnation.
A new body will work wonders…
A problem with the above definition,
Cure, is manifested by the removal of the symptoms. Strictly speaking the removal of all the symptoms of the case is equivalent to a cure, but if symptoms disappear and the patient is not restored health and strength it means either that some of the most important symptoms of the case have been overlooked, or that the case has passed beyond the curable stage.
is that it should add, WHEN TREATMENT IS REMOVED. Thus a cure is penicillin for 10 days but a cure is NOT penicillin for 10 YEARS.
If this refinement were given in the definition, then clearly gout, like diabetes or arthritis is NOT ever cured, just successfully TREATED.
Bill Clinton's heart disease was not cured yesterday by installing two stents…just successfully treated, his symptoms were removed for a time.
“….is that it should add, WHEN TREATMENT IS REMOVED. Thus a cure is penicillin for 10 days but a cure is NOT penicillin for 10 YEARS……”
Yes Zip, TREATMENTS must invariably be applied to remove the symptoms, and the mere removal of symptoms cannot be considered a CURE.
“The highest ideal of cure is rapid, gentle and permanent restoration of the health, or removal and annihilation of the disease in its whole extent…… “ Hahnemann (http://www.similima.com/path21.html)
I do agree with you that “gout is never ever cured, just successfully TREATED”
In fact, most diseases/ailments cannot be cure and has never been cured, they are just successfully treated.
“Cure was not then, as it has since become in the dominant school of medicine, an obsolete term. Physicians still talked and wrote of “cures,” but vainly sought to find them. “The Art of Healing” or “The Healing Art” were familiar phrases, but the thing itself, like a will-o'-the-wisp, eluded them-then as it has ever since.” ()http://www.similima.com/path21.html
Back to the question – Is there any cure for Gout?
The answer – Based on an Abstract from: http://www.healthscout.com/enc…..mentofGout
Currently, there is no cure for gout, but through proper diet, a healthy lifestyle and medications, the symptoms of gout can be relieved and further episodes eliminated.
Proper diet
- Avoid or restrict foods high in purine (a substance that produces uric acid when broken down). These foods include: sardines, anchovies, brains, liver, kidneys, tripe, sweetbreads, tongue, shellfish (mussels and oysters), fish roe, scallops, peas, lentils, beans and an excessive amount of red meat.
- Drink 10 to 12 eight-ounce glasses of non-alcoholic fluids daily.
Healthy lifestyle
- Reduce alcohol consumption
- Lose weight
Medications
Using medications for gout can be complicated, because the treatment needs to be tailored for each person and may need to be changed from time to time.
To relieve the pain and swelling of an acute attack, the doctor may prescribe nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs), colchicine, corticosteroid drugs, and/or adrenocorticotropic hormone (ACTH).
To prevent future attacks, the doctor may recommend colchicine, probenecid (Benemid, Parbenem or Probalan), sulfinpyrazone (Anturane), or allopurinol (Lopurin, Zurinol or Zyloprim).
To prevent or treat tophi, probenecid, sulfinpyrazone and allopurinol are recommended.
All of these drugs are powerful, so the patient needs to understand why they are taking them, what side effects may occur and what to do if they have problems with the medication
I have been taking this all natural herbal blend. and it is helpping me with my gout.
The web site is gout cure.com
I still take Allopurinol , but slowly wean off it to this herbal medicine only. This is due to the long term damage to Liver. I am almost 50 and have always been active . Gout so for has been the only thing that can put me down and keep down for a while.
I took the Goutcure a few years back and didn't persist. This time I've decided to keep at it- [this time with ProBio] though it does seem to enhance diuresis used con-currently with Lasix.
If not enough water is drunk with it it tends to give a taste in the mouth but all in all it seems to be quite good at sending up excretion as far as I can tell, from expelled water ph figures going quite acidic.
6 times a night can get wearying though!
They also supply the Kernel monitor.
Medications
Using medications for gout can be complicated, because the treatment needs to be tailored for each person and may need to be changed from time to time.
Obviously this is highly slanted. Can ANYONE honestly say that taking allopurinol every morning is more “complicated” than the laundry list of life style changes required by non-medical care? Clearly avoiding fish, meats, gravies, organ meats, beer and taking bicarbonate, blueberries, cherries, black bean broth…and all this FOR LIFE has to be seen as somewhat more complicated than popping a cheap pill once a day
Zip- I don't think the Goutcure approach rejects meds as a possible treatment but they have confidence in their product. Optomising meds to patients would make much more sense- but it's too much trouble ie too complicated and time consuming. The main reason Gouties apply themselves assidiously is they are in substantial unmitigated pain!
My reading of their words is that meds are not the only, best or longterm safest way to approach the problem. In this I think they are correct- IF… their product does what they say it does.
For this , you have to try it and find out- Is this really any different from finding out if meds in turn will work as best choice , react badly, run out of steam or mask other ill health trends?
All these co laterals are just as bad [or actuially worse] as the admitted chore of diet slavery.
In time, ones' tastes do change in accordance with healthier chioces and surprise !- is often cheaper !
Most gouties are older men- they are not renowned for looking after their own diet and health care. I 've noticed that women posting here and elsewhere are much more prepared to look at more labour intensive natural solutions than many men.
So men are their own worst enemies in their traditional behaviourand indeed pay a heavy price for this in gout!
It is a matter of choice, and it depends on how comfortable one is with what he has decided on and is doing – the medical route or the natural way. There is no “right” or “wrong”.
Whatever, “reports”, “claims” or “advocacies” are invariably slanted somehow based on the personal beliefs, opinions or agenda. I would read them and decide on what is most appropriate for myself, and that's my choice. What matters most is still whether they really work for ME.
trev said:
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Most gouties are older men- they are not renowned for looking after their own diet and health care. I 've noticed that women posting here and elsewhere are much more prepared to look at more labour intensive natural solutions than many men.
So men are their own worst enemies in their traditional behaviour and indeed pay a heavy price for this in gout!
Trevor, What makes YOU such a wise man? GOUT???
Now I know why I picked you as one of the Three Wise Men on this forum.
Hans- Thanks for the thumbs up- but I have much to learn every day. Is that the secret?
With the onwards march of state abetted psuedo femiinism- women have become more like us worker ants whilst men still have a fair bit to learn on the now missing witchery bits 🙂
Warlocks of the world unite- you have nothing to lose but your Gout. 😉
trev said:
Hans- Thanks for the thumbs up- but I have much to learn every day. Is that the secret?
You are not the only one who has much to learn. I am surprised the ship hasn't sunk, yet. You got about 3 billion guys in the same boat with you.
Warlocks of the world unite- you have nothing to lose but your Gout.
Forget about them guys. They never made it past “Use of the stick=broom” 101.
Yes there is cure for gout. There are several medications used for gout treatment. The medications are Allopurinol, colchicine, Zyloprim, Aggrenox, Urocit, Indomethacin
Those are medications for treatment of Gout but not cures.
As we had discussed earlier, Currently, there is no cure for gout, but through proper diet, a healthy lifestyle and medications, the symptoms of gout can be relieved and further episodes eliminated. Because – “……The highest ideal of cure is rapid, gentle and permanent restoration of the health, or removal and annihilation of the disease in its whole extent, in the shortest, most reliable, and most harmless way, on easily comprehensible principles…….”
Cure, is manifested by the removal of the symptoms. Strictly speaking the removal of all the symptoms of the case is equivalent to a cure, but if symptoms disappear and the patient is not restored health and strength it means either that some of the most important symptoms of the case have been overlooked, or that the case has passed beyond the curable stage.
As Zip had mentioned earlier – “………Thus a cure is penicillin for 10 days but a cure is NOT penicillin for 10 YEARS.
If this refinement were given in the definition, then clearly gout, like diabetes or arthritis is NOT ever cured, just successfully TREATED.
Bill Clinton's heart disease was not cured yesterday by installing two stents…
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